Monday, April 15, 2013

Have you seen your miracle this month?

http://io9.com/have-you-had-your-miracle-this-month-472650940

11 comments:

Dave Jones said...

the ideology of death


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Robert Bumbalough said...

Hello Matt from Robert Bumbalough in Mesquite Texas. I'm an atheist who favors Rand's objectivist metaphysic and epistemology although I would not describe myself as a hard core Randian. I recently purchased a copy of your book AATCAC, and have enjoyed reading it. I'll do a 2nd read starting this week. I've used simplified versions of your argument against Christ belief from the absurdity with better evidence of the Salem Witch Trials in discussion on John Loftus' Debunking Christianity Blog and have briefly cited and linked to your book's Amazon page. I found chapters 9 and 11 useful for that particular conversation. Thanks for writing the book.

Best Wishes and Good Luck too

Delt Machine said...

MAY DAY!

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Dave Jonesy said...

sylvia is a saint compared to you lying vultures....

THE CULTURE INDUSTRY - THE IDEOLOGY OF DEATH

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HOW WE WON THE JAMES RANDI MILLION DOLLAR PARANORMAL CHALLENGE

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David Evans said...

Littlewood's argument is mathematically correct but silly. The correct conclusion is that since we don't experience apparent miracles once a month, one or more of his assumptions must be wrong. Personally I would not regard anything as miraculous unless it appeared to violate the laws of physics. The probability of that happening on any one occasion is much lower than one in a million.

Robert Bumbalough said...

Hello Mr. Evans from Robert Bumbalough in Mesquite Texas.

Mr. Evans wrote: Personally I would not regard anything as miraculous unless it appeared to violate the laws of physics.

Apologists for mysticism would have problems in that if an alleged event only appeared to violate the way reality works, then it could not genuinely be said to violate the law of identity, for any alleged event would then not have been validated as actually violating A=A or A≠⌐A. Further problems for apologists for mysticism arise in attempting to validate that misunderstood or seemingly unexplained events actually did violate the way reality operates because non-caused events cannot be validly declared to have been caused by any specific alleged entity. Nor can allegations of supraentities wielding magical influence from outside of existence have argumentative weight or gravitas because such stories lack intrinsic explanatory power.

From within the Christian, Muslim, Religious Jewish worldviews stories of magical beings performing supranatual feats presuppose existence of the Abrahamic deity and so beg the question of it's existence. From within rational, objective, naturalism worldviews, non-quantum scale violations of how reality operates can't happen because reality is gauge invariant, so it is always the case that A=A and A≠⌐A.

Many Thanks and Best Wishes Too

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JimV said...

As usual, it appears the journamalist who wrote the article did not do thorough research. I have not read Littlewood's book, but Freeman Dyson (in "The Scientist as Rebel") attributes the following definition (which I suspect is also incomplete) to Littlewood:

Miracle: an event which has a one in a million chance of happening and has a special significance when it occurs.

Based on that additional factor of special significance, the journamalist's (my current favorite word, sorry) calculation seems bogus to me also as it does not include any provision for such. I think we would have to read Littlewood's own words to understand what he had in mind.

Saul Timothy said...

how we won the James Randi Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge

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Smoderatore said...

Funny!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLNUTKHXuEM

trueandreasonable.co said...

"He defined a miracle as an event that has a one in a million chance of happening."

Wrong meaning of the word miracle.

Of course if that is the meaning of the word miracle and his math is right then sure we have seen miracles. Perhaps nothing supernatural but "miracles" nonetheless - by his definition.