tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post7991441259542919805..comments2023-10-20T02:08:39.524-07:00Comments on Atheism: Proving The Negative: The Real Evil of Original SinMatt McCormickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17071078570021986664noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-10283785127115208362016-03-09T11:01:02.008-08:002016-03-09T11:01:02.008-08:00Interesting that you should say the creature "...Interesting that you should say the creature "knowingly" rebelled against the creator, immediately after you said he ate from the Tree of KNOWLEDGE of Good and Evil. Just let that sink in for a second. Without having the knowledge to understand that eating the fruit was wrong or bad or evil or whatever, how could that creature have possibly been "knowingly rebelling" against his creator? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15136246858968211663noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-7765222085131802532013-10-27T05:34:34.648-07:002013-10-27T05:34:34.648-07:00All I will say is this, once you get your mind out...All I will say is this, once you get your mind outside of the natural and what YOU see as right, you'll get somewhere. Since everyone will have different views on whats right, who actually has the right answer? Im talking about life for those of you who say "That's what science is for!" . There has to be one view that is abosutely correct. The only thing absolute are laws of nature. Who made these laws since it seem it was here before humans. Humans FOUND geometry and state that we advanced it. Humans FOUND out the theory of natural selection. All the information we have has been here. since the beginning of time. The topic you should be discussing is, who put it there? Honestly, God isn't that confusing of a topic there isn't ONE PERSON in this universe that doesn't know there is a god. If you don't listen to me that;s not my problem, I love you and god even more. However, if you will be the idiot to steer people away from God and not listen to logic( also another thing that contributes to the existence of god) that is not my problem. CIF <br />you wish to go to hell, be my guest just know this THIER IS POWER IN THE NAME OF JESUS " Come unto me all ye that labor and are heavy laden.And I will give you rest." Good luck trying to find your "purpose" in life."I didnt come to condemn the world but that through me the world might be saved"https://www.blogger.com/profile/12039753744058282776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-41025922617599403532013-10-17T13:48:05.991-07:002013-10-17T13:48:05.991-07:00Nothing wrong with eating from the tree? Really? ...Nothing wrong with eating from the tree? Really? I had expected a great deal more insight and comprehension from the author into the biblical account of the fall of mankind.<br /><br />What is wrong with the act of eating from the tree? One thing, and the most fundamental in the history of man... the creature knowingly rebelled against the creator. Through this one transgression, sin and death entered the world, a world which prior to had no such tragedy.<br /><br />Further, how selfish must you be to not perceive the moral component of the speed limit! The limit is there because the roads are a system composed of a multitude of users of varying capabilities. Through practice and time, we've arrived at the fastest velocity that results in the largest tolerable risk to the lives and safety of your fellow human beings.<br /><br />This truly is a case of "love your neighbor as yourself"Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01284251899194013959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-52003630982606014122011-08-21T04:45:05.274-07:002011-08-21T04:45:05.274-07:00Aren't you overlooking the fact that the tree ...Aren't you overlooking the fact that the tree was the "Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil"? I take the scenario to be symbolic of humans learning and embracing the greatly unfortunate habit of labeling all things and events as "good" or "bad" Before this, everything simply "was". Without this constant judging humans were grounded in the present moment and felt more unified with the world (everything).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-69714845613582454702008-11-19T06:55:00.000-08:002008-11-19T06:55:00.000-08:00SOMEONE FINALLY GETS IT!! I'm glad that someone ha...SOMEONE FINALLY GETS IT!! I'm glad that someone had it in them to be open minded on the flaws of the christian religion while still pushing towards being good and moral in this world... because the fact is that it is in our nature to not hurt ANYONE no matter what race religion of beliefs they hold. We are all equil. The ONLY reason why life is in this spin of sorrow and agony is because the POLAR OPPOSITE exsists and is all to real. There is no satin... evil is something we cannot comprehend or something we will ever see. Our abilities and intelligence are beyond even our understanding in this world because of our flesh. Its a lot to go into but the christian religion concentrates more on conforming people to there exact faith instead of simply giving back to people that are suffering and not even immoral or doing bad things. In my opinion church should be less about preaching the same thing out of the bible and more about makeing a plan to help people in need. It should be less about conforming people to a religion and more about giving hope and giving them understanding about why the world is the way it is and most importantly its not the way we really are. No one is going to hell. Granit its definitly wrong to hurt or kill someone but we all have come to a time in society where we all know that... Deep down we know what is right and wrong but greed of power overpowers us, thus we do not care about how it effects others... But in our true how our actions effect others will be our first priority... our not even a priority because its just the way we live (without hurting others). I think the christian religion has hindered faith in the next life from proclaiming that if you do not believe in Jesus christ or god and believe in our religion you will not be saved and go to hell. That rashness pushes people away from those beliefs. I mean how are you suposed to give people hope in 3rd world countries where they've never met this god or jesus and expect them to conform to something they've never believed. Not to mention all of the Evil that stems from the religion from the desgusting Raciest Cult the KKK... Which is something that aint a joke to day... the 29th President was a member of this hate group and i have no doubt that parts of our country are still run but the group if not largly run by it. These Groups not only effect the people they hurt or influence the whole religion and its believers are effected by this group. But i'm done writing this comment i could write for hours on this subject and many others pertaining to it but i'm not about to do that. Have a good day! :)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05557867574038742741noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-58395068312720357022008-10-22T10:43:00.000-07:002008-10-22T10:43:00.000-07:00Theist wrote:"What precepts of atheism are embedde...Theist wrote:<BR/>"What precepts of atheism are embedded in any ethical system?"<BR/><BR/>There is a misunderstanding here. The thesis at issue is whether or not there can be a theory of morality that is a-theistic. That is, it is not theistic. That is, it does not have as part of its explanation the claim that God exists.<BR/><BR/>In this way, an atheistic theory of morality may be one that is CONSISTENT with the claim that God does exist, as well as with the claim that God does not exist.<BR/><BR/>By analogy, consider Superstring theory in physics. Such a theory is atheistic in that it does not posit the existence of God. Theists as well as atheists may happily embrace the theory. If you would like to call such theories "agnostic" instead of "atheist" I would be happy enough to go along with you, but notice that the primary point stands. If an agnostic theory of morality is coherent, then it is false that any satisfactory account of morality MUST posit the existence of God. And that is the point at isue.Eric Sotnakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06162425851889399481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-27761784394183471152008-10-21T18:24:00.000-07:002008-10-21T18:24:00.000-07:00A very abridged version of an atheistic (by philst...A very abridged version of an atheistic (by philstudent's and theist's definition) theory for morality:<BR/><BR/>In the beginning there was NO GOD, only nothing, a void, because of the quantum principle this void was inherently unstable, bubbles began to form and expand into universes. One of these bubbles was our universe, atoms began to coalesce followed eventually by stars, and planets. One of these planets was earth, As molecules gained complexity they eventually began to self replicate. Eventually animals emerge that from social groups to survive, within these social groups certain norms needed to be observed such as: thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, etc. these norms eventually worked themselves into the fabric of the social interactions between these animals. Eventually these animals gained language, invented artificial light, and traveled to the moon. Still they held onto these norms because nature had selected them for their ability to promote the survival of in groups, and they did the job.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-43185228689672539362008-10-18T21:23:00.000-07:002008-10-18T21:23:00.000-07:00I think Bryan that you would be using the term "at...I think Bryan that you would be using the term "atheistic' incredibly loosely to proclaim that an ethical system has been founded on such. Now, maybe it is acceptable to call the set of ethical systems (Mills, Kant’s etc) agnostic in a sense that they do not hinge on a belief in god but they cannot be considered atheistic. However, I am confused by some of you willing to claim that atheistic ethical doctrines even exists. Perhaps some questions are due as to elicit what assumptions are being made here.<BR/><BR/>What precepts of atheism are embedded in any ethical system?<BR/><BR/>How can atheism, which is admittedly a single stance e of denial, contribute to any ethical foundation?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-71584190960315581262008-10-18T21:11:00.000-07:002008-10-18T21:11:00.000-07:00So an atheistic doctrine can be adopted by a relig...So an atheistic doctrine can be adopted by a religious person? I just fail to see that somehow.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-24372872684294246412008-10-14T17:12:00.000-07:002008-10-14T17:12:00.000-07:00philstudent,You say, "So wouldn’t an atheistic mor...philstudent,<BR/><BR/>You say, "So wouldn’t an atheistic moral system need to be wholly atheistic?" The answer is no. A moral doctrine is theistic iff the moral doctrine positively depends or utilizes God or something divine in its principle. Since atheism is a negative statement, i.e., a-theism means not-theism, then a moral doctrine is atheistic iff the moral doctrine does not positively depend or utilize God. It does <I>not</I> need to <I>exclude</I> God. This works in any theory, even scientific ones. They are atheistic but that does not mean God is excluded from being involved in physics, for example. It simply means, in this case, a theory of physics does not depend on God. I've articulated similar sentiments as these <A HREF="http://www.bryangoodrich.com/portal/religion.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-78851554339883017862008-10-14T12:11:00.000-07:002008-10-14T12:11:00.000-07:00On another note there are christians who do not be...On another note there are christians who do not believe in original sin. The mormons for example:<BR/><BR/>"We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression"<BR/><BR/>An excerpt taken from the pearl of great price.<BR/><BR/>Also, there are many more interpretations of original sin that are not so easily attacked. It seems that the central theme to this thread is beating a dead horse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-24617151851118444872008-10-14T12:00:00.000-07:002008-10-14T12:00:00.000-07:00I think you are mistaken to think that those ethi...I think you are mistaken to think that those ethical doctrines are atheistic. Nowhere in them is there any premise excluding god.. They may not hinge on a belief in god but they are not denying god either. So wouldn’t an atheistic moral system need to be wholly atheistic? I guess what I am getting at here is what exactly motivates atheist to be moral? For me being moral ultimate appeals to a much higher cause i.e. to serve the lord. But for an atheist it would seem that they need to appeal to doing good for goods sake. I don’t think the atheist can just say they are doing good for humanity because as a theist I can also make that claim. So there appears to be not a single moral system that is atheistic. And this I find very interesting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-4546419166260532412008-10-13T13:48:00.000-07:002008-10-13T13:48:00.000-07:00I am sorry but I am unfamiliar with an atheist doc...<I>I am sorry but I am unfamiliar with an atheist doctrine of morality...</I><BR/><BR/>There are many proposals for moral systems that do not depend on the existence of any gods. Categorical Imperative, Utilitarianism, Social Contract... BTW, it is entirely possible for theists to accept that morality does not depend on God, but that people should nonetheless be moral. See "autonomous ethics."<BR/> <BR/><I>Also, you preclude the fact that original sin could have been a genetic altering of the human species...</I><BR/><BR/>This appears to be a very liberal usage of the word "fact."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-57784424437751038732008-10-13T08:38:00.000-07:002008-10-13T08:38:00.000-07:00philstudent wrote:"I am unfamiliar with an at...philstudent wrote:<BR/>"I am unfamiliar with an atheist doctrine of morality> perhaps it would go something like "do what ever you think is right""<BR/><BR/>As a matter of fact, the great majority of ethical theories are compatible with an atheist or agnostic worldview. There are consequentialist, deontological, contractarian and contractualist, virtue-ist, and other sorts of ethical theories to consider.Eric Sotnakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06162425851889399481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-76189080509039340352008-10-11T20:27:00.000-07:002008-10-11T20:27:00.000-07:00I am sorry but I am unfamiliar with an atheist doc...I am sorry but I am unfamiliar with an atheist doctrine of morality> perhaps it would go something like "do what ever you think is right" which inherently presumes thru moral agent has knowledge in the first place. Commandants and taboos are in place because they serve to guide the very epistemological problems associated with moral knowledge. Humans did not have to partake in eating of the forbidden fruit no more than a child is warned not to wander off onto A freeway.<BR/><BR/>Also, you preclude the fact that original sin could have been a genetic altering of the human species. Why would a creator do this? A test some may say. But aren’t test needed if ones most precious creation is to be perfect? I digress but there are interesting implications for how a creator would make a creation with free autonomy and yet be perfect at the same time. U less the value of perfection exist inherently in being a free agent and not in the totality of its actions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com