tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post2876907417113845984..comments2023-10-20T02:08:39.524-07:00Comments on Atheism: Proving The Negative: The Perfect Word of GodMatt McCormickhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17071078570021986664noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-69590977650553749352009-10-07T00:21:43.423-07:002009-10-07T00:21:43.423-07:00Wow... Will you look at all the hostility? It make...Wow... Will you look at all the hostility? It makes me sad.<br /><br />Basically, the way I see it, there are two types of christians. "Cart pushers" and "Cart Riders".<br /><br />The first type helps push the cart. He actually cares enough about Christianity and God that it affects his life, and he is a real Christian.<br />Secondly, there is the ones looking for a free ride away from hell, and I'm not sure that these people really get it.<br /><br />Basically, you can't just be in it for the reward.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-34184953629665858542009-07-19T04:24:52.833-07:002009-07-19T04:24:52.833-07:00最近TVや雑誌で紹介されている家出掲示板では、全国各地のネットカフェ等を泊り歩いている家出娘のメッセ...最近TVや雑誌で紹介されている家出掲示板では、全国各地のネットカフェ等を泊り歩いている家出娘のメッセージが多数書き込みされています。彼女たちはお金がないので掲示板で知り合った男性の家にでもすぐに泊まりに行くようです。あなたも書き込みに返事を返してみませんか家出http://ruby.iwatukisan.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-60328942488461873922009-07-17T08:01:44.387-07:002009-07-17T08:01:44.387-07:00最近仕事ばかりで毎日退屈してます。そろそろ恋人欲しいです☆もう夏だし海とか行きたいな♪ k.c.07...最近仕事ばかりで毎日退屈してます。そろそろ恋人欲しいです☆もう夏だし海とか行きたいな♪ k.c.0720@docomo.ne.jp 連絡待ってるよ☆メル友募集noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-37903126737024079852009-07-06T06:49:53.397-07:002009-07-06T06:49:53.397-07:00みんなの精神年齢を測定できる、メンタル年齢チェッカーで秘められた年齢がズバリわかっちゃう!かわいいあ...みんなの精神年齢を測定できる、メンタル年齢チェッカーで秘められた年齢がズバリわかっちゃう!かわいいあの子も実は精神年齢オバサンということも…合コンや話のネタに一度チャレンジしてみよう精神年齢http://new.haaaasagasou.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-17483810967995557212009-07-04T05:38:01.427-07:002009-07-04T05:38:01.427-07:00さあ、今夏も新たな出会いを経験してみませんか?当サイトは円助交際の逆、つまり女性が男性を円助する『逆...さあ、今夏も新たな出会いを経験してみませんか?当サイトは円助交際の逆、つまり女性が男性を円助する『逆円助交際』を提供します。逆円交際を未経験の方でも気軽に遊べる大人のマッチングシステムです。年齢上限・容姿・経験一切問いません。男性の方は無料で登録して頂けます。貴方も新たな出会いを経験してみませんか逆円助http://new.googlejuku-navi.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-54039152821591714732009-04-06T07:31:00.000-07:002009-04-06T07:31:00.000-07:00Is there any sensible believer out there with the ...Is there any sensible believer out there with the heart to answer my question? <BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>(Matt McCormick, thanks a lot for your blog posts... I am really sorry I dont have enough words to thank you. You are one great humanbeing that can think STRAIGHT and clear)Deepaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-72781846861317863872009-04-06T00:39:00.000-07:002009-04-06T00:39:00.000-07:00I feel like spitting on you believers' face when y...I feel like spitting on you believers' face when you say: "The lepers and disabled children on streets are sinners."<BR/>It shows that you believers are cowards to the core!! Are you not ashamed to point fingers at these poor people who can not hit back at you, instead of pointing fingers at the REAL SINNERS commiting sins in front of your eyes raping kids and killing innocent people?<BR/>Now what, you think they will suffer in next birth?? Holy crap !!!!<BR/>So you believe in wild imagination?Deepaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-28052015264942668842009-04-06T00:28:00.000-07:002009-04-06T00:28:00.000-07:00I read this somewhere in this atheism blog. Let me...I read this somewhere in this atheism blog. Let me try to put it in my own words:<BR/><BR/><I>If the evil in the world is intended by God, then God can not be good. If the evil can violate God's intentions, then God is not almighty. God can't be both almighty and good. If only God can create, then he must have created evil. If somebody else (the devil) created evil, how can one know that God, and not the Devil created the universe?</I><BR/><BR/>To me these are "GOLDEN LINES"..<BR/>Words of meaning, words that make sense, words of truth......<BR/>I love to read them again and again.<BR/>How about you believers? Not interested? Ok go sleep with your spiritual books and "NEVER WAKE UP"Deepaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-46576564705883149092009-04-06T00:09:00.000-07:002009-04-06T00:09:00.000-07:00I have tried so much to explain things to my paren...I have tried so much to explain things to my parents who are in deep sleep dreaming about things in religious books. They don't want to WAKE UP no matter how much I try. I gave up my hope of trying to explain a 'simple' thing that only needs common sense to understand. The problem with most believers is that they ignore to 'think' even for a moment. Their mind is already smoked up with fantasy stories from relegious fairy tale books. They call this 'faith' (LOL...) <BR/>I now feel its better to let these ignorant people continue with it as long as they don't cause harm to others. I am happy atleast to see there are some believers who are educated enough that they don't try to take AK47 and hunt down innocents, thinking this is a shortcut to God's residence(heaven)Deepaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-88565436195789287362009-04-05T23:53:00.000-07:002009-04-05T23:53:00.000-07:00Its so obvious that believers are more comfortabl...Its so obvious that believers are more comfortable believing in just words of imagination. They really enjoy reading it more and more NO MATTER WHAT, and <B>really DONT CARE</B> to know if it could be true or false. I really don't see any difference between a child reading some fairy tale book and a believer reading a spiritual book. (HONESTLY!!!)<BR/><BR/>First of all I think the prime reason to all this is the fear to think against a man-made term 'God'. <BR/>How STUPID is it to think if I doubt on God I will not get the ticket to heaven? So that means no matter how good you are, you will be sent to hell just for ONE REASON, NOT BELIEVING IN GOD???<BR/>And on the other hand do all the f**k you want, go around raping children, and praise the name of God so you get a rewarded with a 'flying ferrari' all the way to heaven?<BR/>Does that sound god-like? Come on tell me?<BR/><BR/>I really feel pitty for such believers who clearly lack even a trace of common sense.Deepaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-16569239475724185552009-04-05T12:29:00.000-07:002009-04-05T12:29:00.000-07:00I Believe that I can't Believe, said: it's my job,...<I>I Believe that I can't Believe, said: <BR/>it's my job, as a believer, to speak of the One who has died for the sins of the world and forgives each and every one of us...that whoever HEARS IT (really hears it) might have faith and believe.</I><BR/><BR/>Did you see him die for the sins? <BR/>... And what the **** do you mean by 'forgives each and everyone of us'<BR/>There are millions of suffering people in this world in form of beggars, lepors, disabled children etc etc whom "you BELIEVERS" call as sinners, are they forgiven?<BR/>Or do you mean to say, "hey, no dude, I mean the child rapists, gangsters, smugglers, cheats and terrorists, these people only deserve to be forgiven"<BR/><BR/>Don't you even have the common sense to know what sounds real?<BR/>Is it the fantasy stories abt God or the practical world around you?Deepaknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-29542851984590606972009-03-01T16:28:00.000-08:002009-03-01T16:28:00.000-08:00Anon,"Tully,there are fake quotes going around the...Anon,<BR/><BR/>"Tully,<BR/><BR/>there are fake quotes going around the net about einstein. I believe you found them."<BR/><BR/>No doubt there are, but the ones I cite are not two of them.<BR/><BR/>Citation: Einstein Archive 59-215 and 38-434; from Alice Calaprice, ed., The Expanded Quotable Einstein, Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton University Press, 2000, p. 216 - 218.M. Tullyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06056410184615941086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-68869675821227989402009-02-27T08:33:00.000-08:002009-02-27T08:33:00.000-08:00akakiwibear said... But more importantly, a lack ...akakiwibear said... But more importantly, a lack of perfection gives rise to many benefits, and it could be argued that perfection in a physical world is either an illusion or undesirable – in fact is itself an imperfection … consider<BR/><BR/>Is it really a benefit to be imperfect? Of course I will admit there is no such thing as complete perfection. If there was then there would be no needs or wants. Everything we would need would be there for us and nothing we did would affect anyone or anything in an imperfect way. Why would I need a means of staying warm when I am perfect.<BR/>My point with the perfect thing is there is no such thing and when people try to define some being as perfect they are mistaken. While we sometimes do things in a perfect way. Nothing can be absolutely perfect. <BR/>The only real problem I have with how christians define their friend in the sky, is they apply words but change the meaning when shown it is incorrect. <BR/>Take the words of I Believe that I can't Believe, God uses imperfect tools for accomplish His perfect will. If god has perfect will then why does he need tools? I just see people using the word perfect to try and claim that we are inferior to something that has to be there but is afraid to show itself. <BR/>The bible is nothing more to me then a record of the fears and desires of people. People want there to be something out there that is directing their lives and it has to be perfect for it to do that.Baconsbudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15575410885851841473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-85413264693676167362009-02-25T08:04:00.000-08:002009-02-25T08:04:00.000-08:00AnonIf my post was a tangent, then there was absol...<B>Anon</B><BR/><BR/>If my post was a tangent, then there was absolutely nothing substantiating your appeal to Godel's belief. But that would be inconsistent with the fact you appealed to Godel's specialty as a logician and brilliant rational mind when it came to mathematics. I dispelled that relation and left you with nothing. Now you try to say you weren't grasping at anything. In any case, you have nothing to support your fallacious appeal. But my argument was far from tangential.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-5329600831645368502009-02-25T02:30:00.000-08:002009-02-25T02:30:00.000-08:00Tully,"My comment above applies equally to 92% of ...Tully,<BR/><BR/>"My comment above applies equally to 92% of Americans you cite in your previous post. And to that I would like to add some other things that millions of Americans believe:"<BR/><BR/>My point was to show that there is some serious blanket statements made here about believers just being irrational, which is a poor analysis.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-54395135360817223722009-02-25T02:27:00.000-08:002009-02-25T02:27:00.000-08:00Wow byran you went on a tangent that had nothing t...Wow byran you went on a tangent that had nothing to do with what I posted...simply that godel was a believer - thats it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-62529692748589851832009-02-25T02:25:00.000-08:002009-02-25T02:25:00.000-08:00Tully,there are fake quotes going around the net a...Tully,<BR/><BR/>there are fake quotes going around the net about einstein. I believe you found them. Here is the wiki article that addresses the mans belief...<BR/><BR/>As a Jewish scientist he had to flee from Nazi Germany, but it should be noted that he did not believe in traditional notions of a personal god, but rather perceived God to be a "superpersonal" entity, in ways that he declared to be inspired by Baruch Spinoza's and Arthur Schopenhauer's ideas. He also asserted that the Jewish scriptures, Jesus, Gautama Buddha and other religious figures were important guides for the ethical advancement of humanity<BR/><BR/>http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Albert_EinsteinAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-61782049322426419452009-02-24T18:18:00.000-08:002009-02-24T18:18:00.000-08:00Yes, Godel's belief does not follow from his speci...Yes, Godel's belief does not follow from his specialty.Jonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02877962468047811190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-51614168859700858252009-02-23T17:05:00.000-08:002009-02-23T17:05:00.000-08:00Head in the Sand,None of the scientists in that ar...Head in the Sand,<BR/><BR/>None of the scientists in that article say anything to imply that "that life evolved out of nothing." What they are saying is that it's chemistry. Just normal chemistry. And although it is difficult to recreate the exact conditions from 3.5 billion years ago, it never the less requires no magic. Life came from normal molecules going through normal chemical reactions.<BR/><BR/>And they are getting very close to creating the environment for those reactions to occur in the laboratory.M. Tullyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06056410184615941086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-2724286689651477772009-02-23T15:04:00.000-08:002009-02-23T15:04:00.000-08:00Baconsbud, perhaps I can help, yopu say I have nev...Baconsbud, perhaps I can help, yopu say <I>I have never understood how something can be perfect if its main creation is imperfect.</I> <BR/><BR/>Firstly on a superficial level there is a circular irrationality about your argument.<BR/><BR/>You and I might judge creation to be imperfect. Since we are imperfect (by your definition as products of the imperfect creation) so why would value our opinion over that of the perfect (by your definition) creator.<BR/><BR/>But more importantly, a lack of perfection gives rise to many benefits, and it could be argued that perfection in a physical world is either an illusion or undesirable – in fact is itself an imperfection … consider<BR/><BR/>… we need to be inventive to adapt to what you consider the imperfections of this world; in a perfect world we would not need to be creative (e.g harness energy to keep us warm). So to achieve perfection (a perfect world) you need to destroy perfection by denying us the opportunity/ability to be creative. <BR/><BR/>… so is a creative human being more aligned to perfection than a dumb one ... or <BR/><BR/>Sala kahle - peaceakakiwibearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18324950054939335251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-25752288094582450172009-02-23T14:40:00.000-08:002009-02-23T14:40:00.000-08:00Amazingly, the view that the Bible is somehow iner...<I>Amazingly, the view that the Bible is somehow inerrant, or the perfect word of God, still has widespread subscription. Anyone who’s made an effort to read it with any sort of objectivity finds the claim laughable.</I> ... laughable and amazing … yes indeed.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps even more surprising when the worlds’ largest Church does not hold that view – don’t the literalists ask why not? <BR/><BR/>I guess there is a place for those who are attracted by absolutes. Unfortunately, from my theist perspective, once the limitations of absolutes of the literalistic interpretation are recognised what often follows is atheism. When they realise that God is not in their literalistic interpretation they seem to accept there is no God rather than that God is not the literalistic God but different. <BR/><BR/>I suppose that it is small wonder that people of that mind set would rather label all religion as wrong than have to plot a course of understanding through theology.<BR/><BR/>Sala kahle - peaceakakiwibearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18324950054939335251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-29358813277447176612009-02-23T08:18:00.000-08:002009-02-23T08:18:00.000-08:00M. Tulley,"To me, the origin of life and the origi...M. Tulley,<BR/><BR/>"To me, the origin of life and the origin of Darwinian evolution are essentially the same thing," says Szostak.<BR/><BR/>I believe it takes way more 'faith' to believe that life evolved out of nothing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-28754627621522872332009-02-23T03:17:00.000-08:002009-02-23T03:17:00.000-08:00I must be confused or more then likely it is my li...I must be confused or more then likely it is my limited education. As I understand it the christian god is perfect. I have never understood how something can be perfect if its main creation is imperfect. The way I understand perfect, anything done by someone or something that is perfect should be perfect. If it isn't then the creator isn't perfect. <BR/>With this in mind then either man and the bible is a perfect creation or the christian god isn't what people believe it to be.<BR/>Please explain this to me since I have read enough of the bible to know it isn't perfect as we define perfect.Baconsbudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15575410885851841473noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-87748442494736591652009-02-22T10:13:00.000-08:002009-02-22T10:13:00.000-08:00Well Head in the Sand,I don’t know for sure. In fa...Well Head in the Sand,<BR/><BR/>I don’t know for sure. In fact I don’t even know if such a study has ever been done. But I would imagine it is about the same percentage as those who have read and understood articles like <A HREF="http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/323/5911/198" REL="nofollow"> this one </A> (subscription required). A few excerpts:<BR/><BR/>"Now is a good time to be doing this research, because the prospects for success are greater than they have ever been," says John Sutherland, a chemist at the University of Manchester in the United Kingdom. He and others are addressing each of the steps involved in the transition to life: where the raw materials came from, how complex organic molecules such as RNA formed, and how the first cells arose. In doing so, they are inching their way toward making life from scratch. <BR/><BR/>Over the past few years, they have documented almost an entire route from prebiotic molecules to RNA and are preparing to publish even more details of their success. Discovering these new reactions makes Sutherland suspect it wouldn't have been that hard for RNA to emerge directly from an organic soup. "We've got the molecules in our sights," he says.<BR/><BR/>Tracey Lincoln and Gerald Joyce of the Scripps Research Institute in San Diego, California, have shown how [spontaneous self-replication] might have been possible. They designed a pair of RNA molecules that join together and assemble loose nucleotides to match their partner. Once the replication is complete, old and new RNA molecules separate and join with new partners to form new RNA. In 30 hours, Lincoln and Joyce found, a population of RNA molecules could grow 100 million times bigger.<BR/><BR/>Now [Jack] Szostak is running experiments to bring his protocells closer to life. He is developing new forms of RNA that may be able to replicate longer molecules faster. For him, the true test of his experiments will be whether his protocells not only grow and reproduce, but evolve.<BR/><BR/>"To me, the origin of life and the origin of Darwinian evolution are essentially the same thing," says Szostak. And if Darwin was alive today, he might well be willing to write a lot more about how life began.M. Tullyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06056410184615941086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8716347331682132223.post-75094037718768018282009-02-22T09:28:00.000-08:002009-02-22T09:28:00.000-08:00Anon,You keep bringing up Godel as if he's the epi...<B>Anon</B>,<BR/><BR/>You keep bringing up Godel as if he's the epitome of rational thought and discourse. The guy was <I>insane</I>. I mean literally. He starved himself to death after his wife passed away and was no longer around to tell him that no one was poisoning his food. He hated hospitals and continued to deteriorate till his death after hospitalization.<BR/><BR/>He was also a Platonic realist and believed mathematical entities had an <I>actually real existence</I>. Should we also agree this ontological claim is true simply because Godel believed it? That'd be moronic and the worst kind of inference. <BR/><BR/>Guess what? I can also make a logical black box that will make true whatever you want to believe. It only depends on propositional logic (though I can make a first-order set theoretical or first-order predicate version). It goes like this<BR/><BR/>{A,¬A}╞ ■<BR/><BR/>What does that say? It means the set of propositions A and not A prove wtf-ever you want. Replace the black box by "God is real" or "The moon is made of cheese" and it comes as true because every proof has an associated implication of the form <BR/><BR/>╞ {A,¬A} → ■<BR/><BR/>Which anyone with a basic understanding of logic should know that an implication is true whenever its antecedent is false. The antecedent is a contradiction and therefore always false. Therefore, whatever you want to fill the black box with is always true. This is a move used in many mathematical proofs (e.g., the empty set proves many cases of a theorem vacuously). <BR/><BR/>So is that what you want to grasp at? Empty logical claims simply because they're logical? Simply because some system of logic will have models that satisfy notions of God? This is a worse move, I would say, than the naturalistic fallacy in ethics. You basically take something abstract and apply it to reality to make ontological claims with complete disregard for qualifying that move. You ignore the giant chasm that stands between the abstract and the ontological like someone ignoring the fact that statements about what is are not immediately isomorphic (if at all) to valuational or normative statements. How the hell do you just say "logic says X, therefore reality says it too." Logic can be used to prove whatever you want. Get real.<BR/><BR/>But is that how you want God to exist? Vacuously through some empty notion of logic? You have to realize, logic is syntactical and denotative. We <I>supply</I> the connotations, the semantics and meaning. That black box model I presented will prove anything in propositional logic, albeit, vacuously. But it does so without even having anything to fill the variables yet. We have no idea what the box or the A state. We match it to things that are ontological and model them after the relations of reality. Yet, you haven't qualified how that move is done at all. In fact, you think it sounds true without even stating anything in reality! Even if we can make a logical deductive inference about God in some system of logic, even if we can find a model to satisfy that statement, it will never have to say anything about reality or the natural world.<BR/><BR/>Like abstract Platonic entities, God might exist as such a thing, but it certainly wouldn't have anything to do with reality, no more than <I>the supposedly existing object 2</I>. If God exists, I will assert, then so does infinity, the infinite set of numbers as individual objects in the world, and so do all the functions that would solve the statement f(x)=5. Unfortunately, they're probably hanging out in a bar somewhere that all those elves and unicorns are, too, because I can just never find those damn guys.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com